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  1. Mike
    Mike at |

    Will there be a PluralSight course on this new VCP exam, coming soon? Maybe taught by…..you?

    I like that they are allowing the CCNA/CCNP to serve as a prereq

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  2. doubledub
    doubledub at |

    Chris McCain said that the CCIE should will be an allowed prereq for the VCIX when it is published and there should not be an expiration date on that grace “period”. Of course, subject to change.

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  3. Jason
    Jason at |

    If I get the VCP-NV, can I then try to get a general VCP or do I have to still go through the classes?

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  4. Alexa Schlosser
    Alexa Schlosser at |

    Hi Chris,

    I am the editor of VMware User Group (VMUG)’s monthly e-newsletter. Each month, we feature one or two bloggers in a special sidebar feature. I ran across your blog and was wondering if you would be interested in participating in an upcoming month’s issue. Please let me know via email ([email protected]) if this is something you’d like to do.

    Best,
    Alexa

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  5. Always Learning
    Always Learning at |

    Do you know if there are any free training resources for this exam?

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  6. mohamed Zaki
    mohamed Zaki at |

    *VCP-NV is not eligible as a prerequisite for any additional VCP or VCAP certifications unless the VMware course requirement had been successfully completed.

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  7. scpolzin
    scpolzin at |

    Hi Mohamed. I just passed the VCP-NV with the course exemption based on my CCIE R&S which I have held for 15 years so next I started to look at the VCP-DV page and got a rude shock when I found the nasty little * and footnote you quoted.

    I double checked and there is no mention on the VCP-NV requirements page in the learning path that offers the course attendance exemption to point out getting VCP-NV in this way will not result in a valid VCP as far as meeting pre-requisite requirements for other VCPs.

    All I can say is booooo VMware. Foul, red card, off side or whatever sport analogy you wish to apply. Who would reasonably suspect that this is the case since it’s well known if you have a VCP then you don’t need to take a course to get the second one, etc? A friend of mine even works in the VMware office and told me of the opportunity to get the VCP without needing the training course. He was obviously runaway of this gotcha or else it’s a recent addition? Obviously training is not an issue for him and I don’t begrudge or blame him in any way. Not having checked other VCP requirements beforehand I can’t say for sure whether this was already the case some months ago when he told me. Frankly I didn’t check since he worked at VMware and I found confirmation on blogs on the web touting this “backdoor” to avoid the tedious and costly course requirement.

    More appropriate would have been a large red flashing font warning potential pilgrims “Hey guys don’t get excited because we are going to get you to fork out hard currency for a training course no matter how you squirm!”. Sorry but VMware is short of coffee and biscuits so the training department has been tasked with wringing every last dollar out of the implementers to fund the kitchen? Someone obviously thought OK, we can attract talented Cisco networking people into the VMware fold by offering this carrot but hang on a minute we’re going to lose out on our 1st course $ so better * that backdoor pronto!

    Having been in the industry for 30 years and networking for 20 of those years I can honestly say that 9 times out of 10 sitting in a class 8 hours a day for up to 5 days boors me to sleep. Not always that the courses are boring or I’m too clever but I just don’t do sitting and listening for hours on end very well. I don’t think anybody does. If you went to university when did you sit for 2 to 3 hours straight for a single lecture and were your lectures ever back to back from 9 to 5 for 5 days in a row.

    Apart from my personal preference usually my employer frowns on letting me out of the office for that amount of time and on top of that paying for the course just adds salt to the wound. I’m an expensive resource so I understand that position. If I’m freelancing or contracting then that’s a weeks worth of pesos straight out of my pocket and the course fee on top. I understand this position even better. This time it’s personal 🙂

    Basically my opinion is that VMware is levying an entrance fee to the club. If you want to get on the VMware certification track to advance your career give us $3000 or whatever the amount is in local currency. Mine is AUD so I think by the time they ship the IP to the back end of the world it turns out more like $5-6K. Let’s be honest it’s a cover charge otherwise it would be applied to every certification but VMware knows that wouldn’t float (at least not yet…). VMware can dictate that you pay this entry fee in the guise of a training course and the market bears it so it will stand until someone at VMware decides out of the goodness of their hearts to fund the kitchen supplies in another manner. I doubt that my monologue will make the slightest difference but I guess I’m just venting.

    I don’t know about you reading this post but I find it ironic that not only are technical staff expected to have these certs so our employer can be granted the privilege of selling the vendors products but then on top of that pay a one of fee as well.

    OK, I’ll leave it there. I think I’ve worked through the 1st 3 stages of Loss and Grief and I’m now hovering somewhere in latter part of Depression tending toward Acceptance.

    I guess my chances at any future employment at VMware aren’t looking good at this stage. VMware recruiting if you’re reading this I plead insanity.

    Thank you for listening and apologies for my tirade. Good luck out there in IT la la land.

    Steve Polzin
    CCIE 4494 R&S

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  8. cisco_eng
    cisco_eng at |

    🙁
    scpolzin same thing happe with me I just pass the VCP-NV last week and now I just saw this little * .. not only me I push few of my friend to do this VCP-NC and then we will do VCP5-DCV 🙂
    as I remember this * was not there in Nov-Dec 2014 .. VMware just add this recently

    Regards
    Owais
    CCIE # 45736

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  9. scpolzin
    scpolzin at |

    Hi Owais.

    I can confirm you’re 100% correct that the * is a new infestation which didn’t exist before.

    Before I go on let me be clear that I’m not tarring the whole of VMware with the same dirty brush. There are always bad apples in any bunch so those miserable penny pinchers that are screwing us don’t represent the majority of great VMware’rs 🙂

    I want to say loudly and happily that I am highly impressed by the people in VMware I have dealt with during my studies of NSX. I had the good fortune to communicate with them to point out some errors in the HOLs and my recommendations from a routing guys perspective on how I thought some improvements could be made.

    All of the guys were very approachable and extremely helpful and not at all offended that I was pointing out errors. Of course I wasn’t meaning to be critical of the HOL, quite the opposite but I just wanted to give back something to help.

    This caveat put on our VCP-NV cert is just so damn disappointing to me that it is just taking the joy out of my VCP-NV cert. Those who I have spoken with inside and outside of VMware share the same opinion as me. Someone in the money grabbing department realised that they’d inadvertently left a loophole and moved to close it. I think it’s damn petty of them to do it at this point considering that the exemption is about to expire anyway so it’s not like they’re leaving the gate open.

    Critics of my outrage offered weak excuses when I posted on the VMware communities page saying that the course policy was always in place so nothing has changed. Notably they had many VMware certs under their belt already and probably feel slighted if anyone else would have the nerve to get the cert without doing as they had to do and attend a course.

    Frankly I thought the move by VMware to open up the cert to Cisco certified people was a BRILLIANT move meant to attract the interest of the already skilled routing and switching community out there. If I and the many others like me go back out into the customer land wanting to implement NSX that’s a big win for VMware in my book. As such I fail to see the value in this petty annoyance and revenue raising exercise at the risk of alienating potential and if I may say so without seeming conceited VALUABLE market allies such as myself that have contacts in companies where we might evangelise the VMware message.

    In one experience with a good customer of my about 18 months ago they chose Hyper-V over VMware as, in their opinion, a far more cost effective solution. Granted is was not a complex environment but really only a consolidation project. Never the less a lost opportunity for VMware. The small clients of today can grow tomorrow to be large clients and then you’ll be sorry you lost them VMware. Frankly at the time I had no VMware certifications and no reason to argue VMware’s case to the customer, in fact I agreed with them. If I had argued with the same passion and belief that I had at the time for the Cisco and EMC solution I sold them for VMware the story could have been different. Multiply me by the many Cisco people out there and… you get the picture.

    With the rise of CMP and REST API I predict that which underlying hypervisor you choose will one day be of little consequence. My belief is that the management platforms are where it’s at so if you take my advice you’ll be looking towards gaining skills and a good understanding of vCAC, vCloud, automation etc. if you want to be a VMware disciple. Alternatively OpenStack, etc. or at least have good skills in one vendor and the fundamental principles will likely apply to the others too.

    Returning to the subject of our malcontent –

    I have been chatting with Christopher Kusek and he originally had the following post on his blog –

    The VCP—NV is your ticket to escaping the VCP
    “Class requirement” for VCP—DCV!

    http://www.pkguild.com/2014/11/the-vcp-nv-is-your-ticket-to-escaping-the-vcp-class-requirement-for-vcp-dcv/

    He confirmed my suspicions that this wasn’t previously the case

    “Yes you’re completely spot on. This is a completely new policy. I know this because I had several of my network engineers while I was in Afghanistan go through get their VCP-NV and THEN go get their VCP-DCV. (Which was why I had published that in the first place)

    Your pointing this out is enough for me to put out a blog post on this which is ridiculous. ”

    Subsequently he updated his blog.

    VMware feels the ‘pinch’ and “invalidates” the
    VCP—NV as a ‘‘valid VCP Certification”

    http://www.pkguild.com/2015/02/vmware-feels-the-pinch-and-invalidates-the-vcp-nv-as-a-valid-vcp-certification-asteriskgate/

    Frankly as I said in my earlier post – my opinion is that the course is just the price of admission to the VMware cert world. There is no reason I would need to do this training as I invested in my own lab equipment to study and there are plenty of good resources online. I don’t need the piece of paper to prove my skills so I’ll go ahead and study VCP-DCV as it’s really the knowledge I want as the piece of paper means very little anyway. I’ll just mention VCP-DCV in my LinkedIN profile so potential job position searches still find me 🙂

    OK, at this point I’m seriously thinking I should start my own blog and stop hijacking space on Mr Wahls pages 🙂

    I’d be interested to hear of your opinion of the VCP-NV exam. I studied quite deeply and as it turns out much better than I needed to in order to pass the VCP level exam but the exam blueprint frightened me into it :-). I think my passing mark was something like 489. I would have liked to see a breakdown of categories where I lost marks like Cisco give you in the CCIE cert to see where I lost the marks but it doesn’t really matter.

    I don’t regret all the study I did as I found it fun and for the first time in a while IT was exciting again. As you can see from my CCIE number I’ve been around for a while and to be honest it all starts to bore me. NSX ignited a bit of enthusiasm again.

    It’s about the learning to me and not the piece of paper but going for the exams gives me a goal to aim for so it’s a useful carrot to get me away from the TV or whatever other time wasting activities I might otherwise indulge in. Memorising brain dumps as some people do just to pass a cert is not a worthwhile exercise in my opinion. I interviewed a dual CCIE Voice and R&S once and he couldn’t begin to explain spanning tree despite my leading him with suggestions. I don’t profess to remember every bit of theory off the top of my head, far from it, however if you’re a routing and switching person you surely should have some idea about BPDUs!!! In his case I was seriously doubtful he’d even set foot inside a CCIE practical lab and must have paid someone to do it for him. You can’t be a good technologist by memorising answers to multiple choice questions without understanding the material. I do like practice tests though that expose weak points in my knowledge as they help me to better focus my energies to improve my knowledge. If I can’t see why an answer is right (or if I can’t tell why it’s wrong) both are opportunities to learn.

    I’m seriously contemplating going back in the next couple of weeks while the knowledge is still fresh and doing the VCIX-NV exam. I glossed over the blueprint and there are some areas I’d need to bone up on and practice a bit more such as command line troubleshooting, vCAC configuration with NSX and REST API usage and I think I’ll be good to go. I’ll do some more reading up on the blogs about it from people who have done it and see what I think. After experiencing the level of VCP exams of which this was my first I can see why VMware chose to make the higher level VCIX-NV the exam available with the course exempton for CCIEs. I’d only rate VCP at the CCNA level as far as difficulty or possibly lower since Cisco employ adaptive exams and some emulation to allow command line configuration simulations, etc. I could be wrong as I never did CCNA but went straight for the gold of CCIE 🙂

    Cheers Steve

    CCIE 4994
    EMCISA
    VCP-NV 🙂
    etc. etc. etc. – see LinkedIN for more detail.

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    1. steveplz
      steveplz at |

      Hi Manfred,

      Thanks for your implied complement. I’d like to think my objections had some impact on the outcome but in any case I am only happy that, what I saw, as an unfair restriction imposed after the fact has been removed by VMware and, in my honest opinion, rightly so.

      I want to make it clear to all readers that I bear no ill will to VMware and in fact they have risen in my estimation as a result of their subsequent reaction. It shows they are willing to listen to us, recognising our value to VMware as supporters and resources that contribute to their success as an organisation.

      We all know that to err is human. I can say I’ve made countless mistakes in my life and despite my best intentions I know I will make more. How I judge others, whether they be organisations or individuals, is not by their mistakes but how they respond and subsequently act in righting those mistakes where possible.

      This whole experience has taught me one thing and that is that my and our voice counts. A good friend of mine has urged me on a few occasions to start my own blog and so with his assistance I’m planning to do exactly that with ideas already for both personal and IT related subjects.

      I’m not sure how long it will take me to get it off the ground but if you’re interested you can follow me on Twitter – @steveplz and I’ll announce the address when it’s available.

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  10. Manfred Hofer
    Manfred Hofer at |

    It looks like this comments made massive waves or maybe because VMware extended the timeline for CCNA to VCP-NV to 1/31/16 the asterix about “VCP-NV is not eligible” was removed from the certification site.

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  11. Scott Vessey
    Scott Vessey at |

    The Certification team decided to make it consistent across all VCP certifications that once you have a VCP you will not need to complete a course to move to another Solution Track. This means that people who earn VCP-NV through a Cisco certification will not need to take a course.

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